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Poster: jds121291 Date: Feb 24, 2011 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: top 500 drummers

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummerchoice.html

anyone else have a problem that Billy isnt on the list but Mickey is? no disrespect meant towards Mickey, i love him, but he couldnt compare to Billy as a solo drummer.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Feb 24, 2011 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

The absence of Robert Wyatt is just bent, even if his bass drum and hi-hat work was weak after 1974. He propelled the Soft Machine while he was a member.

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Poster: roughyed Date: Feb 25, 2011 2:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

Probably the list you'd expect from a middle-aged, middle-class Swiss into classic rock and jazz.
He's probably never heard the Grateful Dead {likely saw Mickey's name on an album cover), so that's why there's no Bill Kreutzman. And because he's never left the Hollies, Bobby Elliot's not there either.
Despite the plethora of great jazz drummers in the list I can think of two glaring omissions off the top of my head: Famoudou Don Moye and Ronald Shannon Jackson.
Add Pheroan Aklaff, Lance Carter, Abe Speller, etc ... this guy has never heard of Knitting Factory. He needs to get out (of Switzerland) more.

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Poster: BVD Date: Feb 24, 2011 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

Hart just got in the way! The rockin' K is a drummer. Hart is a percussionest. I find Billy's style similar to Mitch Mitchell. Light,quick and clean. He was responsible for turn on the dime Grateful Dead.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 24, 2011 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

They also completely ignored the Reggae genre. I think Sly Dunbar, Carlton Barret, and the Nyabinghi master, Ras Michael should certainly be in the top 500...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKk5l6i27og&;feature=related

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Feb 24, 2011 11:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

These lists are absurdly subjective monstrosities of the utmost idiocy.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Feb 25, 2011 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players - anyone hear this one?

I pretty much hate the accordian but I had a promo of this one and it always cracked me up. Especially the Devil went down to Georgia with accordians instead of fiddles

http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=11124

http://www.last.fm/music/Those+Darn+Accordions%21

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 24, 2011 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

David Hidalgo
Bruce Hornsby
Judy Tenuta

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 25, 2011 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Nothing like a Judy Tunuta blast to start the day. Priceless

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Poster: gumby69 Date: Feb 25, 2011 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Walter Ostanek is Canada's Polka King. A 3 time Grammy winner if you like the Accordian he's the Hendrix of it. Calling Bruce Hornsby one of the best is ludicrous. I could barely hear him play with he pulled it out at dead shows.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 25, 2011 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

I think you are right. I'm not an expert on best accordian players and I'm also a huge Bruce fan. But when Hornsby refers to himself as a "hack" on the squeezebox that should say something. With that said i did not mind his accordian with the GD. Didn't love it but didn't mind it either.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 24, 2011 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Stephen Leblanc of the Bluerunners...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v2G_Wqe8UU

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 24, 2011 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Weird Al!

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Poster: wineland Date: Feb 24, 2011 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Add Jenny Conlee from The Decemberists to the accordian list.

They played their new album, The King Is Dead, at Oregon Public Broadcasting studios last month. Great performance. Listen or watch here:
http://tinyurl.com/5r7wxje

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 24, 2011 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Sweet, just 2,494 to go!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Feb 24, 2011 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Numero Uno Beeyotches

http://www.polkas.com/yankovic/memorial.htm

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Feb 24, 2011 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Clifton Chenier, obviously.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 24, 2011 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Lou, No offense to Clifton, but that's a rather bland batch of etouffee compared to Stephen Leblanc. If the Grateful Dead came from Lafayette, they would sound like the Bluerunners...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAvZs52pExk&;feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v2G_Wqe8UU



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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Feb 24, 2011 7:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

With space for 2500, I'm sure we can accommodate both.

Chenier's groups certainly have a less hard-driving, post-Allman-Brothers sound, but there's way more in the actual accordion playing IMO. Bogalusa Boogie's a good place to start, for anyone interested in listening to him. That session also features some slick R&B sax work by John Hart.

And while we're at it, Nathan Abshire could really lay it down.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 25, 2011 3:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Number 2500 is Jerry Garcia, for the two minutes or whatever that he must have played the accordion he got for his 15h birthday before swapping it for a guitar. Just think ... Mexicali Blues could have had an accordion!

It's not that he was THAT great in only two minutes. But there are not more than 2,499 actually good accordion players in the world.

OK, I did just remember a wonderful singer/musician who happens to play the accordion -- Loreena McKennitt. I mean, you can't really tell there's an accordion in here along with the oud and violin and so on, but IMO that's actually a GOOD thing :-)

Isn't this beautiful?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXtrqHrHcI8



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Poster: wineland Date: Feb 25, 2011 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

And Jimi could have really used an accordian on Hey Joe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceWWbq7mR5w

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 25, 2011 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Then there's this guy. Clearly key to the Tom Waits sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzp5hdO4deQ&;feature=related

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 25, 2011 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

Buckwheat Zydeco x 2500

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Poster: WillCo Date: Feb 25, 2011 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

I don't care about his ranking, but try Stian Carstensen from Farmers Market. Check out "Teddy Bears' Picnic" on his hard-to-find "Little Radio" album with Iain Ballamy.

Here he is with some other guys doing "Minor Swing" (his solo begins at 3:30):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mduNnx-Vpc

.... and with Farmers Market doing "Surfin' USSR Part 2"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJ_Qm1_r0c&;feature=related

This post was modified by WillCo on 2011-02-25 17:07:39

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Feb 24, 2011 7:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

As Lawrence Welk used to say; "And now, Myron Floren is gonna play a song on the accordian for ya!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqURmXMEGFI

Tico Tico 07/02/55 This guy had chops! I could envision a youthful Jerry hangin out on a Saturday Evening with Ruth & Tiff in Menlo Park watching this with both eyes wide open.







This post was modified by dark.starz on 2011-02-25 03:35:12

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Poster: wineland Date: Feb 24, 2011 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 2500 accordian players

I wonder if Myron was asked to smile more when he plays. It looks kind of forced. In fact, it looks like he is a ventriloquist trying to throw his voice.

Lawrence & Myron going toe to toe on Muskrat Ramble!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5EgASje8MQ&;NR=1

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 24, 2011 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

Wow, no Billy, but Phil Rudd of AC/DC- probably the single most boring drummer in rock history, and Meg White(huh?!)are on the list.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 25, 2011 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

I am not an expert so take this for what it's worth but anyone I have ever known who is an expert and has played drums lists Neil Peart near the top of the list. Very surprised he is not in that top 10.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Feb 24, 2011 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

balderdash! the 72-74 Dead is all the evidence you need to prove Billy was better! he could have sat in for any of miles or coltrane's groups and you'd never know...

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Poster: Granola Pilgrim Date: Feb 25, 2011 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

I was rather surprised at the omission of Scott Travis, but I was also glad to see Mark Zonder made the list.
Obviously everyone has their own opinion on this stuff, but even the side lists have some strangeness. No Billy K on the rock list but they have Tico Torres from Bon Jovi. That's the sort of thing that makes you walk into a wall due to confusion.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 24, 2011 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

I have no problems with Mickey being on the list however leaving off Billy is a travesty. Perhaps they could replace him for Ringo or his buddy Ringo Starr, since they are both on the Rock Legends list? Ringo 2, Billy 0?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 24, 2011 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

This quote has always cracked me up.

John Lennon (asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world):

"He's not even the best drummer in The Beatles!"

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Feb 25, 2011 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

And all along I thought Ringo was a she and lived near Philly?

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Feb 24, 2011 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

That's epic !! If you have not seen it yet, go see the movie "Nowhere Boy". An outstanding biopic on the teenage years of John Lennon.


BTW- McCartney probably is a better drummer. That guy plays every instrument

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Feb 24, 2011 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

haha...I've always thought that Ringo was/is a weak drummer and the weakest of all the Beatles in general. I've actually spoken with people that though he was one of the best...that is laughable. He played the most basic drums possible on everything.

I never saw that quote before but it's good to see Lennon agreed.

....and I absolutely agree that McCartney was probably the best drummer in The Beatles....and the best musician in general...that's not to say song writer..that's obviously up for debate but as far as playing and singing...IMHO for sure the strongest musician in the band.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Feb 24, 2011 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

I absolutely agree w/ most of you guys. I always thought that Ringo was mediocre at best and then you hear people like Max Weinstein claim he at his time was one of the best.I don't see it and certainly don't hear it. It was in musical terms very easy stuff w/ parradiddles and basic fills. Usually when you see him play now there are at least one other drummer and then add a percussionist.About Billy being better than Mickey again 2 styles w/ Mickey being more of a worldly percussionist w/ all the gongs and chimes. As far as this list and them on it, well 500 is alot of drummers and just maybe they'er bottom tier at best.

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Feb 24, 2011 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

Yeah I just realized I never even addressed the Billy and Mickey part. As far as the dead goes, I would take Billy over Mickey any day but in general drummer terms I have to say that there are tons of drummers better than both. I love the way Billy played in the 70s...especially without Mickey but I don't see him even on the same level as many of the jazz drummers of that time or Mickey on the same level as many of the percussionists of that time....let alone of all time..the dead were amazing as a unit but as far as solo skill and viruosity goes Jerry was the only one I can put on any all time list if I'm being honest.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 24, 2011 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

Well Ringo did make millions of dollars selling smokeless ashtrays and pocket fishermen.




Oops I'm sorry, that was Ronco.

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Feb 24, 2011 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

Here is another problem, although it is NON-Dead. They have Alan White from YES listed but not Bill Bruford, who not only played with YES, but with KING CRIMSON.


Gimme a break

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Feb 24, 2011 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

GUYS, I don't know how you can determine what the best is. If the guy or guys fit then they were great. I'd love to see this list being 58 and have just about seen all there was to see I would have a very hard time. There is that #1 spot for me and he's not so common but if you've ever seen him you would never forget and that would be Billy Cobham.
As for the rest I liked Mitch Mitchell, Ginger Baker, Alan White, Charlie WAtts and so on. I can't imagine thinking of 500.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Feb 24, 2011 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Ring! Ca-Ching, Ca-Ching, Ca-Ching!

The Zep heads will tell ya, John Bonham. Personally, no singular drummer was ever more dynamic than Sir Keith Moon! Ok, the Sir status is a stretch.

In my humble opinion, the finest Beatle album was George Harrison's "All Things Must Pass".

Ringo was no fool, after all, he sold more records in the post Beatle break-up period up through the mid-seventies. Schmaltzy stuff indeed, It Don't Come Easy, Back off Bugaloo, Photograph, You're Sixteen, Oh My My, Ca Ching - Ca Ching - Ca Ching!

Give a listen to "A Day In The Life" from Sgt Pepper's. There's some intricate and complex layers performed there.

Ringo's mastery lied within his subtleness, not dominance, an ability to shadow behind the three front geniuses in this great band while "Paul kept the Rhythm" on bass and keyboards.

It's tough to compare Kreutzman to Starr, different applications; and yes Billy is a fabulous drummer.

You could fit many Grateful Dead footprints inside the global Beatles footprint, and a couple of Elvis too!

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Feb 24, 2011 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ring! Ca-Ching, Ca-Ching, Ca-Ching!

I think Ringo's shining moment was Tomorrow Never Knows.

He was poorly miked throughout most of those 4 track Beatles recordings. Abbey Road was done on 16 tracks, and his toms, bass, and cymbals are better than most previous albums.

10 years later, Judas Priest would record British Steel at Ringo's house. They went around the place with a tape recorder; slamming doors (the boom-boom between Rapid Fire and Metal Gods), breaking bottles, dropping trays of silverware, etc. for use as percussion sounds on some of the songs.



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Poster: dark.starz Date: Feb 24, 2011 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ring! Ca-Ching, Ca-Ching, Ca-Ching!

Yeah, George Martin & John finally let Ring cut loose on Tommorow Never Knows, good call.

Ring also got some chops in on "The End" finality to the "Melody" on Abbey Road.

You Never Give Me Your Money > Sun King > Mean Mr. Mustard > Polythene Pam > She Came In Through The Bathroom Window > Golden Slumbers > Carry That Weight > The End.

Following "Because" Really, really fine shit here.



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Poster: hamptoneffect Date: Feb 24, 2011 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

Agreed Yankee9.. Bruford is way better than White IMHO...listen to YESSONGS for a live comparison, and check out how White can't play the stuff that bruford plays on the studio albums...BTW, the whole thing is ridiculously subjective--Neil Peart wins modern drummer's drummer of the year a zillion times and isn't on the top ten of all time list?!?...and bobby and the midnights drummer Billy cobham should be on the top 10 before Bonzo--but again, subjective.

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Feb 24, 2011 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

I have major problems that Billy K is not on the list. That's just plain ignorance, regardless of how I feel about Mickey Hart.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Feb 24, 2011 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: top 500 drummers

Yeah, that's weird. Billy is definitely a better Drummer (note the capital D), I guess Mickey would be the better Percussionist.

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